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		<title>Comment on What is church? by Ryan Bickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Bickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;WHAT IS CHURCH?&lt;b&gt;  Good question!

The English word “church” is translated from the Greek word &lt;i&gt;eklesia&lt;i&gt; (see Strong’s 1577) which means a “called out assembly”.  This assembly is called out for a purpose.  This is why the same word is used for the assembly at Ephesus that rose up against Paul in Acts 19. The only way for an assembly to exist is to assemble (quite a profound thought huh?).  So, if they are going to assemble it must be in &lt;em&gt;one place&lt;em&gt;.  Thus the ‘Universal Church’ doesn’t exist.  There are &lt;em&gt;only&lt;em&gt; local churches.  Many say, “Wait.  Jesus is going to come for His and we are going to form ‘The Church’ in Heaven.”  Yes, that is true.  But, for one, that hasn’t happened yet and two it &lt;em&gt;also&lt;em&gt; will be a local church assembled in one place.

Furthermore this &lt;em&gt;local assembly&lt;em&gt; is a body…the body of Christ.  The Bible says in Colossians 1:18 &lt;i&gt;“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”&lt;i&gt;  and in Colossians 1:24 &lt;i&gt;“Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:”&lt;i&gt; 

Jesus Christ himself planted &lt;em&gt;one&lt;em&gt; church in Jerusalem.  That body reproduced.  Those bodies reproduced. Then those bodies reproduced and so on.  Today we have progeny of that first church in Jerusalem.  Each one a separate body unto itself with Christ as it’s head.  Of course, the enemy has given us a lot of fake bodies that pretend to be the body of Christ but do not have Him as their head.

A church is not a club in which one belongs to the local chapter.  It is a body, the body of Christ.  Christ is the head and everyone else is a member.  If any one of those members is not functioning correctly the &lt;em&gt;whole body&lt;em&gt; suffers.  Each part has a responsibility to the body and the body has a responsibility to each part.

The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, &lt;i&gt;“For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.  For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.  For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”&lt;i&gt; 

So, Church is:  A local called out assembly of baptized believers.  A body with Christ as it’s head with every member responsible to the whole and the whole responsible to every member.  It was called out for a purpose and given a commission, the Great Commission.  &lt;i&gt;“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”&lt;i&gt;  (Matthew 28:19-20)

As we see in Genesis 1 things were created and reproduce “after their kind”.  A healthy Christian will reproduce other Christians.  A healthy mature church will reproduce other churches fulfilling it’s commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>WHAT IS CHURCH?</b><b>  Good question!</p>
<p>The English word “church” is translated from the Greek word <i>eklesia</i><i> (see Strong’s 1577) which means a “called out assembly”.  This assembly is called out for a purpose.  This is why the same word is used for the assembly at Ephesus that rose up against Paul in Acts 19. The only way for an assembly to exist is to assemble (quite a profound thought huh?).  So, if they are going to assemble it must be in <em>one place</em><em>.  Thus the ‘Universal Church’ doesn’t exist.  There are </em><em>only</em><em> local churches.  Many say, “Wait.  Jesus is going to come for His and we are going to form ‘The Church’ in Heaven.”  Yes, that is true.  But, for one, that hasn’t happened yet and two it </em><em>also</em><em> will be a local church assembled in one place.</p>
<p>Furthermore this </em><em>local assembly</em><em> is a body…the body of Christ.  The Bible says in Colossians 1:18 <i>“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”</i><i>  and in Colossians 1:24 </i><i>“Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body&#8217;s sake, which is the church:”</i><i> </p>
<p>Jesus Christ himself planted <em>one</em><em> church in Jerusalem.  That body reproduced.  Those bodies reproduced. Then those bodies reproduced and so on.  Today we have progeny of that first church in Jerusalem.  Each one a separate body unto itself with Christ as it’s head.  Of course, the enemy has given us a lot of fake bodies that pretend to be the body of Christ but do not have Him as their head.</p>
<p>A church is not a club in which one belongs to the local chapter.  It is a body, the body of Christ.  Christ is the head and everyone else is a member.  If any one of those members is not functioning correctly the </em><em>whole body</em><em> suffers.  Each part has a responsibility to the body and the body has a responsibility to each part.</p>
<p>The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, <i>“For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.  For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.  For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”</i><i> </p>
<p>So, Church is:  A local called out assembly of baptized believers.  A body with Christ as it’s head with every member responsible to the whole and the whole responsible to every member.  It was called out for a purpose and given a commission, the Great Commission.  </i><i>“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”</i><i>  (Matthew 28:19-20)</p>
<p>As we see in Genesis 1 things were created and reproduce “after their kind”.  A healthy Christian will reproduce other Christians.  A healthy mature church will reproduce other churches fulfilling it’s commission.</i></em></i></em></i></b></p>
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		<title>Comment on What is church? by Luke Juarez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Juarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul, 
Stacie sent me your blog link (great site btw), and I found your question intriguing. I'd like to respond, if you do not mind.

I recall a significant event many years ago at which the Acapella Vocal Band performed in the new gymnasium at Montgomery. The gym itself was quite a controversy – can a gym be built on the house of God? How fitting it was to hear Keith Lancaster sing “you can go to a building, you can sit on a pew… You can’t go to church ‘cause the church is you.” The church was no longer a building. 

Today, church isn’t a building, but it is what we “do” on Sunday. In fairness, many try to avoid the phrase “go to church” and instead say “go to worship service,” which is less banal and still comprehensible. (:-) For a short time, I was under the impression that church was on Sunday morning and worship service was Sunday night for those who didn’t have a class.) Still, we commonly go &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; a building &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; church and we affiliate ourselves as a congregation based on &lt;i&gt;where&lt;/i&gt; we assemble, and we maintain that “in church” we behave and dress and act in a certain way; church is a formal occasion.

As long as church is formal, church membership is also formal. Formal membership may be innocuous, but it may also confuse us. Paul in Romans and especially in 1 Cor. wrote about the membership in the body, but not membership as a formal recognition of belonging or acceptance, but as a natural, organic part of the whole. We are members of the church not by application but by rebirth. This is an important distinction, because I believe it leads us to the intention of what the church is (or should be). 

I don’t believe the church is something to do on Sunday, nor is it a service assembly. (The word “congregation” is ambiguous, defined as both “group” and “assembly,” so to avoid an equivocal meaning, I interpret “congregation” to mean “a group that assembles.”) The church (both local and catholic) is a &lt;i&gt;community&lt;/i&gt; and we abide inside whether or not we attend a specific place of worship. I am not condoning isolation from congregational worship, only stating that our inclusion in the body exists independently from the physical location. I am suspicious of those who remove themselves from regular assembly for 1 John teaches that no man can love God and simultaneously hate brethren. In addition, the formation of a Christian community might occur inadvertently due simply to our social nature.

This is where I’m coming from, so I’d like to attempt and answer your questions based on my own feelings.

&lt;b&gt;What responsibility does the congregation have to its members?&lt;/b&gt; Just as a body disseminates nutrients throughout for internal and external growth, the congregation must provide nourishment to the members for their spiritual and practical growth. As a response to the “bench warmers” in the church, we’ve overemphasized the truth that what you receive from church reflects what you give in church. I’m not countering that point, but qualifying by adding that the congregation needs to be aware of its members’ needs and, perhaps most importantly, be able to make changes when necessary. The congregation is responsible for participation accountability. Detachment is inappropriate (except for necessary seasons), and the body must expect the members to produce good fruit. This means that the community must allow members to serve in whatever avenues they are capable of, rather than proscribe roles that our community deems fitting. 

&lt;b&gt;What responsibility do the members have to the congregation?&lt;/b&gt; I like using community over congregation because it implies more than meeting together; community implies &lt;i&gt;living together&lt;/i&gt;. Members have a responsibility to share their lives with the body. We need to hear confessions. We need to hear praises! The private dimension should be a place of meditation and personal reflection, not our “real life” away from Sunday worship. Members also should be careful in this “real life” that their actions do not reflect poorly on God’s name or the rest of the community (and the congregation should know the difference between what reflects poorly and what doesn’t).

&lt;b&gt;What responsibility do both the members and the congregation have to the Body of Christ in their community?&lt;/b&gt; This is difficult to answer if our understanding of the local community is defined as the area around the place of assembly (church building) instead of the area around our home. When the central place of worship is 20+ miles from our homes, the practicality of helping the community around the building is limited. Setting this aside, the local community should be the scene of our works. Others need to know what our congregation does in an appreciative manner. Our congregation should make the surrounding community better. 

I have a few suggestions in how these ideas can be implemented. First, alleviate the burden of the elders. Their primary responsibility is to monitor the food the congregation is eating. They need to be watchful concerning our doctrines, not presiding over budget committee meetings or babysitting administrative tasks. Elders burn out because the congregation expects more from them than what God requires. We’ve set a terrible precedent by demanding our elders to be overseers of everything, to the point to which they are devoted to nothing. If they are not prayerfully considering the traditions and scriptures that our body is receiving, then our members will suffer and die.  

In matters of serving, we need to recognize the presence of Spiritual gifts. These are not aptitudes or talents common to unbelievers, but infusions of the Spirit according to the will of God. We need to recognize that not all women are gifted to be children’s teachers and not all preachers are gifted to be teachers. This will be difficult if we are unwilling to accept change. 

I believe we should strive to destroy the formality of church services. This isn’t a cry for chaos but for sanity. I mentioned confession and praise, and I think instead of a “Shepherd’s Moment” we should allow others to submit their own prayer requests personally to the congregation. I say this for three reasons: 1) we cheat ourselves from truly healing by trying to “save face” in confession. Yes, it is embarrassing, but that’s why it is so important to do personally. 2) Allowing someone else to read a prayer request is as impersonal as an email. 3) Even if 10 members every Sunday stood and submitted a praise or request, it wouldn’t take any longer than what we are currently doing. 

Finally, we need to readdress the efficiency of church buildings. Are we being wasteful with precious resources? It is easy to look at a thousand plus membership church and say “wow, look at what they’ve accomplished.” Yet, we know the 20/80 rule exists in large churches just as in small churches. One sociologist commented that the ideal “community” of a single person is about 150 people. That seems small, but that size of a community is personal and intimate. As mega churches become mundane, smaller communities continue to break through local community barriers and touch lives. Perhaps we should encourage Christians to find a place of worship closer to their own home, even if they are not 100% in agreement with doctrine or tradition.

Luke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,<br />
Stacie sent me your blog link (great site btw), and I found your question intriguing. I&#8217;d like to respond, if you do not mind.</p>
<p>I recall a significant event many years ago at which the Acapella Vocal Band performed in the new gymnasium at Montgomery. The gym itself was quite a controversy – can a gym be built on the house of God? How fitting it was to hear Keith Lancaster sing “you can go to a building, you can sit on a pew… You can’t go to church ‘cause the church is you.” The church was no longer a building. </p>
<p>Today, church isn’t a building, but it is what we “do” on Sunday. In fairness, many try to avoid the phrase “go to church” and instead say “go to worship service,” which is less banal and still comprehensible. (:-) For a short time, I was under the impression that church was on Sunday morning and worship service was Sunday night for those who didn’t have a class.) Still, we commonly go <i>to</i> a building <i>for</i> church and we affiliate ourselves as a congregation based on <i>where</i> we assemble, and we maintain that “in church” we behave and dress and act in a certain way; church is a formal occasion.</p>
<p>As long as church is formal, church membership is also formal. Formal membership may be innocuous, but it may also confuse us. Paul in Romans and especially in 1 Cor. wrote about the membership in the body, but not membership as a formal recognition of belonging or acceptance, but as a natural, organic part of the whole. We are members of the church not by application but by rebirth. This is an important distinction, because I believe it leads us to the intention of what the church is (or should be). </p>
<p>I don’t believe the church is something to do on Sunday, nor is it a service assembly. (The word “congregation” is ambiguous, defined as both “group” and “assembly,” so to avoid an equivocal meaning, I interpret “congregation” to mean “a group that assembles.”) The church (both local and catholic) is a <i>community</i> and we abide inside whether or not we attend a specific place of worship. I am not condoning isolation from congregational worship, only stating that our inclusion in the body exists independently from the physical location. I am suspicious of those who remove themselves from regular assembly for 1 John teaches that no man can love God and simultaneously hate brethren. In addition, the formation of a Christian community might occur inadvertently due simply to our social nature.</p>
<p>This is where I’m coming from, so I’d like to attempt and answer your questions based on my own feelings.</p>
<p><b>What responsibility does the congregation have to its members?</b> Just as a body disseminates nutrients throughout for internal and external growth, the congregation must provide nourishment to the members for their spiritual and practical growth. As a response to the “bench warmers” in the church, we’ve overemphasized the truth that what you receive from church reflects what you give in church. I’m not countering that point, but qualifying by adding that the congregation needs to be aware of its members’ needs and, perhaps most importantly, be able to make changes when necessary. The congregation is responsible for participation accountability. Detachment is inappropriate (except for necessary seasons), and the body must expect the members to produce good fruit. This means that the community must allow members to serve in whatever avenues they are capable of, rather than proscribe roles that our community deems fitting. </p>
<p><b>What responsibility do the members have to the congregation?</b> I like using community over congregation because it implies more than meeting together; community implies <i>living together</i>. Members have a responsibility to share their lives with the body. We need to hear confessions. We need to hear praises! The private dimension should be a place of meditation and personal reflection, not our “real life” away from Sunday worship. Members also should be careful in this “real life” that their actions do not reflect poorly on God’s name or the rest of the community (and the congregation should know the difference between what reflects poorly and what doesn’t).</p>
<p><b>What responsibility do both the members and the congregation have to the Body of Christ in their community?</b> This is difficult to answer if our understanding of the local community is defined as the area around the place of assembly (church building) instead of the area around our home. When the central place of worship is 20+ miles from our homes, the practicality of helping the community around the building is limited. Setting this aside, the local community should be the scene of our works. Others need to know what our congregation does in an appreciative manner. Our congregation should make the surrounding community better. </p>
<p>I have a few suggestions in how these ideas can be implemented. First, alleviate the burden of the elders. Their primary responsibility is to monitor the food the congregation is eating. They need to be watchful concerning our doctrines, not presiding over budget committee meetings or babysitting administrative tasks. Elders burn out because the congregation expects more from them than what God requires. We’ve set a terrible precedent by demanding our elders to be overseers of everything, to the point to which they are devoted to nothing. If they are not prayerfully considering the traditions and scriptures that our body is receiving, then our members will suffer and die.  </p>
<p>In matters of serving, we need to recognize the presence of Spiritual gifts. These are not aptitudes or talents common to unbelievers, but infusions of the Spirit according to the will of God. We need to recognize that not all women are gifted to be children’s teachers and not all preachers are gifted to be teachers. This will be difficult if we are unwilling to accept change. </p>
<p>I believe we should strive to destroy the formality of church services. This isn’t a cry for chaos but for sanity. I mentioned confession and praise, and I think instead of a “Shepherd’s Moment” we should allow others to submit their own prayer requests personally to the congregation. I say this for three reasons: 1) we cheat ourselves from truly healing by trying to “save face” in confession. Yes, it is embarrassing, but that’s why it is so important to do personally. 2) Allowing someone else to read a prayer request is as impersonal as an email. 3) Even if 10 members every Sunday stood and submitted a praise or request, it wouldn’t take any longer than what we are currently doing. </p>
<p>Finally, we need to readdress the efficiency of church buildings. Are we being wasteful with precious resources? It is easy to look at a thousand plus membership church and say “wow, look at what they’ve accomplished.” Yet, we know the 20/80 rule exists in large churches just as in small churches. One sociologist commented that the ideal “community” of a single person is about 150 people. That seems small, but that size of a community is personal and intimate. As mega churches become mundane, smaller communities continue to break through local community barriers and touch lives. Perhaps we should encourage Christians to find a place of worship closer to their own home, even if they are not 100% in agreement with doctrine or tradition.</p>
<p>Luke</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greedy Green by Papa B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papa B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's true, but the cost for each bulb has come why down. I found that the reduction of energy usage was more important than life expectancy. HOWEVER, I would rather go LED but the cost of those are still obscene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true, but the cost for each bulb has come why down. I found that the reduction of energy usage was more important than life expectancy. HOWEVER, I would rather go LED but the cost of those are still obscene.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greedy Green by Stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the life expectancy of those CFs when you switch them on and off frequently-- they drop to the life expectancy of incadescents.  The ROI isn't quite what the charts claim with the type of use that is likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the life expectancy of those CFs when you switch them on and off frequently&#8211; they drop to the life expectancy of incadescents.  The ROI isn&#8217;t quite what the charts claim with the type of use that is likely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Trading for a Living by Soulgirl</title>
		<link>http://binarykingdom.com/wordpress/2007/05/09/trading-for-a-living/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Soulgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog make me chuckle from beginning to end^_^!! It sounds absolutely great to me. Your blog is my favorite!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Proverbs 3:1-4 by Wahoo</title>
		<link>http://binarykingdom.com/wordpress/2007/08/27/proverbs-31-4/#comment-2</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing!</description>
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